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Post by marchingmagpie on Feb 26, 2020 1:00:21 GMT
Some 'great' trips to look forward to next season...
Alresford or AFC Stoneham coming up from the Wessex.
And trips to places such as Willand Rovers, Bristol Manor Farm, Slimbridge & Larkhall Athletic.
In my opinion, not only with interest fade with people who follow the team away, but i predict further drops in our home attendances.
Tough times ahead.
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Post by pauleyk31 on Feb 26, 2020 9:22:18 GMT
Afc stoneham will go into the new southern east division
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Post by steven on Feb 26, 2020 10:00:41 GMT
Shame if there is no AFC Stoneham, I think they have recently moved to a new ground.
I don't think relegation always means lower home attendances, if (big if) the club are winning games there are a lot of floating fans who will be more likely to attend. I have a few friends who have stopped going this season because it has been so dire, who would certainly attend if we were winning games.
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Post by southernwatcher on Feb 26, 2020 10:38:14 GMT
Relegation isn't nailed on with Blackfield having to take relegation due to ground grading issues.
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Post by guest on Feb 26, 2020 10:46:07 GMT
Listening to fans / locals and also supporters of other southern LG sides.There appears to be speculation there are teams in the south prem LG at this present moment have cashflow problems..I personally believe that the secretary of the Dorch F.C. knows a little more than most having to attend.southern LG meetings and knowing the clubs who are struggling will probably not be in this LG 2020/2021. There certainly does not seem the urgency around the clayson stadium chairman / directors to pull out all the stops of avoiding. Relegation .
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Post by southernwatcher on Feb 26, 2020 11:06:12 GMT
It's a fact that the club I mention are not willing to invest a six figure sum into their ground - they are accepting relegation.
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Post by steven on Feb 26, 2020 12:13:43 GMT
Listening to fans / locals and also supporters of other southern LG sides.There appears to be speculation there are teams in the south prem LG at this present moment have cashflow problems..I personally believe that the secretary of the Dorch F.C. knows a little more than most having to attend.southern LG meetings and knowing the clubs who are struggling will probably not be in this LG 2020/2021. There certainly does not seem the urgency around the clayson stadium chairman / directors to pull out all the stops of avoiding. Relegation . If that is the case then anyone who will not be involved next season should be released to save money, there is no point paying players who we don't want anymore and when we have nothing to play for. If this is the case though I'm surprised Nathan Walker is still being paid as he has made it very clear he is only stepping in to try to save the club (the money is he earning must also help). |
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Post by southernwatcher on Feb 26, 2020 12:26:26 GMT
Listening to fans / locals and also supporters of other southern LG sides.There appears to be speculation there are teams in the south prem LG at this present moment have cashflow problems..I personally believe that the secretary of the Dorch F.C. knows a little more than most having to attend.southern LG meetings and knowing the clubs who are struggling will probably not be in this LG 2020/2021. There certainly does not seem the urgency around the clayson stadium chairman / directors to pull out all the stops of avoiding. Relegation . If that is the case then anyone who will not be involved next season should be released to save money, there is no point paying players who we don't want anymore and when we have nothing to play for. If this is the case though I'm surprised Nathan Walker is still being paid as he has made it very clear he is only stepping in to try to save the club (the money is he earning must also help). He's one of very few the current Manager feels should be playing at this level and won't be dispensed of as others are brought in. |
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Post by steven on Feb 26, 2020 12:29:47 GMT
If that is the case then anyone who will not be involved next season should be released to save money, there is no point paying players who we don't want anymore and when we have nothing to play for. If this is the case though I'm surprised Nathan Walker is still being paid as he has made it very clear he is only stepping in to try to save the club (the money is he earning must also help). He's one of very few the current Manager feels should be playing at this level and won't be dispensed of as others are brought in. I'm not questioning he should be playing at this level, but if he has only been brought in to help the club avoid relegation and as Guest has said we can't be relegated, there seems little point in keeping him on and paying him for the next two months. |
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Post by Dayvan Cowboy on Feb 26, 2020 12:36:02 GMT
There is a sense of urgency but for the wrong reasons. By that I mean that we're still splashing the cash on players like Nath, Laird, Rogers, Ngoy etc when in reality there is 0 chance of us staying up on points and we've been as good as down since the start of January when we took 1 point from those new year fixtures against Blackfield and Beaconsfield. We've yet to pick up a point since. Where there is no urgency is that there seems to be no sense of disappointment from any of the board, the manager or the players, it feels like we just in mid-table mediocrity and the losing of games is an expectation where people don't seem upset by it. Other clubs like Poole, you see there chairman writing pleas and emotive blogs urging fans to be patient and stick by them, from us there's been nothing.
Regarding other clubs, yes the AGM does save clubs from relegation, it happened to us in 2008 but has it ever saved a club that is rock bottom? Because that's where we'll finish.
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Post by steven on Feb 26, 2020 12:57:28 GMT
I would agree we have been as good as down since January, but if we don't get all three points against Yate on Saturday the club must start preparing for next season in the division below.
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Post by southernwatcher on Feb 26, 2020 12:59:15 GMT
He's one of very few the current Manager feels should be playing at this level and won't be dispensed of as others are brought in. I'm not questioning he should be playing at this level, but if he has only been brought in to help the club avoid relegation and as Guest has said we can't be relegated, there seems little point in keeping him on and paying him for the next two months. You won't get players in now of any quality that you're trying to engage for next season if you bin the decent ones. |
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Post by leo210856 on Feb 26, 2020 16:45:00 GMT
Apologies no idea how but duplicate , no triplicates post
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Post by leo210856 on Feb 26, 2020 16:57:21 GMT
Next season will see the non league Pyramid structured 1-2-4-8-16. Currently Dorchester play at Level C which has four leagues each of 22. The FA have said that irrespective the bottom team in each of the four leagues will be relegated their planning assumptions are that 10 teams will be relegated 2 from each league and two others those two won’t as a matter of course be based on what league clubs currently are playing there seems to be something called PPG ( Points per Game) featuring in determining which clubs are relegated or come to that reprieved. I am far from sure it’s “ fact that Blackfield and Langley “ are going to take a voluntary relegation and if anyone can point to where it’s actually reported I would appreciate. This web site www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forums/index.php?threads/19-20-ppg.534/ seems pretty well informed. |
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Post by leo210856 on Feb 26, 2020 16:59:22 GMT
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Post by southernwatcher on Feb 26, 2020 17:04:45 GMT
If you are unaware of certain facts then I'm sure that you will be "far from sure".
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Post by brownowen on Feb 26, 2020 17:27:06 GMT
Listening to fans / locals and also supporters of other southern LG sides.There appears to be speculation there are teams in the south prem LG at this present moment have cashflow problems..I personally believe that the secretary of the Dorch F.C. knows a little more than most having to attend.southern LG meetings and knowing the clubs who are struggling will probably not be in this LG 2020/2021. There certainly does not seem the urgency around the clayson stadium chairman / directors to pull out all the stops of avoiding. Relegation . The problem with this is that there are 2 clubs who finish 3rd from bottom that go down, and 4 clubs who finish 2nd from bottom who will be in line for a reprieve if teams go bust. We need 6 teams to go bust to even be within a chance of a reprieve, which won't happen. |
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Post by leo210856 on Feb 26, 2020 17:27:06 GMT
If you are unaware of certain facts then I'm sure that you will be "far from sure". Ok. Heres what I know. We know that B&L had no issues whatsoever at level C. Their chairwoman made a commitment to meet the ground grading requirements to enable them to play at level D Between Level C &D for season 20/21 the only real differences are as follows Level C. Level D. Blackfield and Langley Overall Capacity. 1950. 1300. 2000 Covered Supporter Accommodation 500. 300. ? Off which seated. 250. 150. ? Supporter Entrances. 3. 2. ? Male Toilets Urinals. 4. 2. ? W/C. 2. 1. ? Press Seating. 4. 2. ? I can’t find anything in any publication or indeed the site I provided the link to that suggest that B&L are taking a voluntary relegation. You state it’s a fact are you able to point me to where it’s in writing or like so many things is it just a rumour? |
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Post by tom on Feb 26, 2020 18:43:08 GMT
Yes please, do show us the facts as I would hate to be greatly pissed off if, coming bottom of the league Dorch are still religated whilst knowing that's apparently impossible by reading threads on here
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Post by marchingmagpie on Feb 26, 2020 22:56:36 GMT
Correct Tom. A rule was brought in from this season where no matter who takes voluntary relegation, the bottom team WILL always be relegate. This rule was made to stop teams coming bottom and staying up, i hated it when that happened. Our only chance is to catch Beaconsfield.
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Post by southernwatcher on Feb 27, 2020 11:08:00 GMT
There will be another twist & turn.
Blackfield have reneged on their commitment to provide the required amount of seating and have stated they have no intention of doing so.
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Post by leo210856 on Feb 27, 2020 15:56:22 GMT
I asked someone with far greater knowledge the question re Blackfield here’s their response
“ It’s been mentioned that they will be demoted. Because they’re going to fail the ground grading. I’m waiting for the 31st March to change their status. This opens up the relegation debate for step 3. Will the FALC place them bottom? If so Beaconsfield Town will be reprieved. Or will the FA still relegate the bottom 2 from all the step 3 leagues and they are the extra club demoted? Initially 2 of the 4 3rd bottom placed step 3 clubs were going to be relegated on a ppg basis. Bury’s demise should reduce this 1 club relegated.
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Post by tom on Feb 27, 2020 18:03:14 GMT
Well that's made it clear... as mud :-) So are you saying if we manage to crawl above Beaconsfield and come 2nd from bottom then we stay up, regardless? And I am still confused (sorry), yet could we still stay up even if bottom of the league or is the ruling mentioned earlier, stands, ie : bottom club gets religated no matter?  ?? |
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Post by weyportdorch on Feb 27, 2020 18:33:20 GMT
Surely you have a secetary that has all the permutations and answers as they go to the fa / league meetings . Then again the f a are more than likely to move the goals to suit them and not those involved .
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Post by marchingmagpie on Feb 27, 2020 20:27:03 GMT
Bottom place WILL be relegated, regardless of who takes voluntary relegation. The new ruling states the bottom side will always be relegated regardless.
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Post by leo210856 on Feb 27, 2020 21:20:50 GMT
Well that's made it clear... as mud :-) So are you saying if we manage to crawl above Beaconsfield and come 2nd from bottom then we stay up, regardless? And I am still confused (sorry), yet could we still stay up even if bottom of the league or is the ruling mentioned earlier, stands, ie : bottom club gets religated no matter? ?? I think that’s because it is as clear as mud. From the level DTFC currently play it was anticipated that 10 clubs would be relegated. The bottom two in each league as well as two of the 3rd from bottom teams . These two teams would be those with the least points achieved on what was termed Points Per Game. Following the demise of Bury that two was reduced to one meaning now in total from the 4 leagues only 9 will be relegated. My best guess is that should Blackfield fail the ground grading then none of the third from bottom teams will be relegated I think it’s more than likely that the bottom two will be relegated.Irrespective I can’t see DTFC surviving if they finish bottom. The earlier post I copied over was posing questions as to how the FA could deal with Blackfieds voluntary relegation not how they would. What confuses even more is that this year the FA will be looking at the 4 leagues together as opposed to each of the leagues in isolation. |
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Post by leo210856 on Feb 27, 2020 21:25:08 GMT
Bottom place WILL be relegated, regardless of who takes voluntary relegation. The new ruling states the bottom side will always be relegated regardless. That’s been my reading of the rules but it did sort of surprise me at the possibility that a club taking voluntary relegation could be deemed to be finishing in that bottom place. |
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Post by marchingmagpie on Mar 2, 2020 20:21:58 GMT
See below, bottom side WILL NOT be eligible for a reprieve.
There are four divisions at Step 3:
• Isthmian Premier
• Northern Premier
• Southern League Premier Central
• Southern League Premier South - our division.
Two teams will be promoted from each division – 1 automatic.
The two bottom sides from each division will be relegated to Step 4.
From the four divisions, another two “third bottom” clubs will be relegated on a PPG (points per game) basis. If there are any reprieves available, then one of the relegated PPG sides will get that reprieve. The bottom club of each division will not be eligible for a reprieve.
All four Step 3 divisions have 22 teams. Current "bottom three" positions are:
Southern League Premier South:
20th Walton Casuals 26 points from 32 games
21st Beaconsfield 21 from 28
22nd Dorchester 15 from 31
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Post by leo210856 on Mar 3, 2020 8:14:31 GMT
See below, bottom side WILL NOT be eligible for a reprieve. There are four divisions at Step 3: • Isthmian Premier • Northern Premier • Southern League Premier Central • Southern League Premier South - our division. Two teams will be promoted from each division – 1 automatic. The two bottom sides from each division will be relegated to Step 4. From the four divisions, another two “third bottom” clubs will be relegated on a PPG (points per game) basis. If there are any reprieves available, then one of the relegated PPG sides will get that reprieve. The bottom club of each division will not be eligible for a reprieve. All four Step 3 divisions have 22 teams. Current "bottom three" positions are: Southern League Premier South: 20th Walton Casuals 26 points from 32 games 21st Beaconsfield 21 from 28 22nd Dorchester 15 from 31 Indeed that’s what the rules state but then elsewhere in the guidelines you get this www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/rules-of-the-association/2019-20/national-league-system-regulations-2019-2020.ashx5.5.2 (a) Where a vacancy occurs at Step 1 and Step 2 following the completion of a Playing Season the best ranked Club in a relegation position is reprieved. (b) Where a vacancy arises at Step 3 to 6 following the completion of a Playing Season it shall be dealt with at the sole discretion of the Committee. |
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Post by brownowen on Mar 3, 2020 22:14:31 GMT
Beaconsfield won again tonight, putting them 10 points ahead of us with a game in hand.
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