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Post by tom on Dec 21, 2016 22:11:34 GMT
Ok, so today I happened to bump into a person that as far as I know has no beef with the CBS board, yet knows a few of the folks involved with "on pitch" matters, this persons view is (most of this we have already heard), is that Jems warned the club at the beginning of this season, his budget was a "relegation " scenario, in this persons view, Jems with his management skills has seen the team perform well above expectations, yet still the board insisted on further cutbacks on the playing budget, which this week was the final straw for Jem and Critts. Now all of the above is nowt new as things have progressed these last few days, yet as this person(and no I will not give this persons name), has experience running teams around this level of football, I tend to listen to their comments as to the current situation at Dorchester. a) Jems had done a fantastic job within his budget to keep the team strong and believe in themselves, league position actually did not matter, it was the "spirit" within the team the Jems had built, that was priceless, so at what point did the board decide not to back him? question to the board- is this paragraph wrong? I was interested in what this person was telling me & trust me, the person had no idea who I was, I was just fishing for a view regarding the current situation at Dorchester. So CBS board members, are any of you actually prepared to say on here, the unofficial site, that you :- 1) failed to back Jems with request to improve the squad with players that would of increased the playing budget set last summer 2) more cuts to the budget come Feb 3) Is the board now coming to terms that there is no community feeling towards DTFC 4) If 1 & 2 are anywhere near the truth, then please tell us how you intend to keep fans passing through the gates? Yea, I doubt anyone from the current board will bother to reply, let's face it Mr Ring showed his democratic hand when closing the old forum, but if & that's a BIG if:- Anyone on the board willing to give a positive posting on here? Merry Christmas to all  |
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Post by brownowen on Dec 21, 2016 23:07:38 GMT
For disclosure, I am not a CBS Board member, just a CBS member and Dorch fan. I have no connection to any of the board members. Addressing your numbered points: 1) Jem made a request to improve the squad and the board did not go along with this, that's all true. However what you and your source have missed out is that the loss of the Park & Ride cost the club a huge amount of revenue, rumoured to be around £40k. At the time there was no idea of how the club would replace this revenue and thus no budget commitments could be made, hence Toby H and Charlie D leaving. Jem made some requests to the board along the lines of "can we not just go into debt and build from there?" in which the response was no as the only way to go into debt as a club would be from CBS board members using their own cash, which is not something that anyone should be expected to do in a CBS run club, we made a decision to move away from a owner-chairman club. 2) Yes, this is pretty much happening and we all know it, but you've phrased this in a way that makes it sound like the board are wanting to do this. To ensure Jem had a playing budget at the begining of the season, it was "front-ended". For those that do not know what this means, it means that the clubs funds would only be able to fund the budget up until part way through the season (to allow a higher weekly budget) under the expectation that funds from cup runs and other deals would enable funds to be topped up and the budget to last the season. The teams poor performance in the FA Cup and Trophy left this in jeopardy. No extra money means cut backs will come unless we can find extra money from somewhere. (something that cannot be blamed on the playing budget as we could easily have beaten the teams who knocked us out of these cups, especially Basingstoke) 3) Can't comment on this as it's asking for a personal opinion from the board 4) Same as number 3. For a personal note, I'd say it is best not to worry! Come the end of the season, the 3G pitch installation will provide a HUGE opportunity for revenue as well as other goings on that CBS members have been made aware of. Merry Christmas |
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Post by seantizz on Dec 22, 2016 15:36:16 GMT
For disclosure, I am not a CBS Board member, just a CBS member and Dorch fan. I have no connection to any of the board members. Addressing your numbered points: 1) Jem made a request to improve the squad and the board did not go along with this, that's all true. However what you and your source have missed out is that the loss of the Park & Ride cost the club a huge amount of revenue, rumoured to be around £40k. At the time there was no idea of how the club would replace this revenue and thus no budget commitments could be made, hence Toby H and Charlie D leaving. Jem made some requests to the board along the lines of "can we not just go into debt and build from there?" in which the response was no as the only way to go into debt as a club would be from CBS board members using their own cash, which is not something that anyone should be expected to do in a CBS run club, we made a decision to move away from a owner-chairman club. 2) Yes, this is pretty much happening and we all know it, but you've phrased this in a way that makes it sound like the board are wanting to do this. To ensure Jem had a playing budget at the begining of the season, it was "front-ended". For those that do not know what this means, it means that the clubs funds would only be able to fund the budget up until part way through the season (to allow a higher weekly budget) under the expectation that funds from cup runs and other deals would enable funds to be topped up and the budget to last the season. The teams poor performance in the FA Cup and Trophy left this in jeopardy. No extra money means cut backs will come unless we can find extra money from somewhere. (something that cannot be blamed on the playing budget as we could easily have beaten the teams who knocked us out of these cups, especially Basingstoke) 3) Can't comment on this as it's asking for a personal opinion from the board 4) Same as number 3. For a personal note, I'd say it is best not to worry! Come the end of the season, the 3G pitch installation will provide a HUGE opportunity for revenue as well as other goings on that CBS members have been made aware of. Merry Christmas That's a considered response.. I'm also a CBS member. Perhaps you could answer this.. (1) If it's so difficult for the club to go into debt, how is it possible to front-load the budget? Surely it's either one or the other? (2) If we were a team at the top of the league, I reckon our attendances would grow. What would be wrong with paying even more for a better set of players in the hope that our crowds would grow to cover the extra? (3) Are you happy that CBS members have received nothing at all communicating to them the future plans for replacing Jem and Critts? Surely, it's at times like this that these communications should be received? Best, Sean |
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Post by brownowen on Dec 22, 2016 17:39:51 GMT
For disclosure, I am not a CBS Board member, just a CBS member and Dorch fan. I have no connection to any of the board members. Addressing your numbered points: 1) Jem made a request to improve the squad and the board did not go along with this, that's all true. However what you and your source have missed out is that the loss of the Park & Ride cost the club a huge amount of revenue, rumoured to be around £40k. At the time there was no idea of how the club would replace this revenue and thus no budget commitments could be made, hence Toby H and Charlie D leaving. Jem made some requests to the board along the lines of "can we not just go into debt and build from there?" in which the response was no as the only way to go into debt as a club would be from CBS board members using their own cash, which is not something that anyone should be expected to do in a CBS run club, we made a decision to move away from a owner-chairman club. 2) Yes, this is pretty much happening and we all know it, but you've phrased this in a way that makes it sound like the board are wanting to do this. To ensure Jem had a playing budget at the begining of the season, it was "front-ended". For those that do not know what this means, it means that the clubs funds would only be able to fund the budget up until part way through the season (to allow a higher weekly budget) under the expectation that funds from cup runs and other deals would enable funds to be topped up and the budget to last the season. The teams poor performance in the FA Cup and Trophy left this in jeopardy. No extra money means cut backs will come unless we can find extra money from somewhere. (something that cannot be blamed on the playing budget as we could easily have beaten the teams who knocked us out of these cups, especially Basingstoke) 3) Can't comment on this as it's asking for a personal opinion from the board 4) Same as number 3. For a personal note, I'd say it is best not to worry! Come the end of the season, the 3G pitch installation will provide a HUGE opportunity for revenue as well as other goings on that CBS members have been made aware of. Merry Christmas That's a considered response.. I'm also a CBS member. Perhaps you could answer this.. (1) If it's so difficult for the club to go into debt, how is it possible to front-load the budget? Surely it's either one or the other? (2) If we were a team at the top of the league, I reckon our attendances would grow. What would be wrong with paying even more for a better set of players in the hope that our crowds would grow to cover the extra? (3) Are you happy that CBS members have received nothing at all communicating to them the future plans for replacing Jem and Critts? Surely, it's at times like this that these communications should be received? Best, Sean As I said, I am just a CBS member, nothing more, so I am in no position to give full reasons for any board decisions. All I can do is stitch together rumours, things I have heard from my sources and general business/football knowledge. 1) A budget can be front loaded by using existing money that the club already had in the bank. As a CBS member you can view last seasons financial records (should have been emailed to you a while ago) and as far as I can tell, it would have been possible for the club to front-load a budget to some extent without going into debt, however the size of a budget Jem wanted would have exhausted these funds and required a bank or director loan. 2) Nothing would be wrong with paying for better players, but this is a business decision. The issue is we need to have the money to get these better players. This is a chicken-egg scenario, gates gets us money but money gets us gates, we need one to come first. 3) Critts and Jem resigned on Saturday, 5 days ago. I would love to hear about appointments and why they resigned but we need to be patient, I am sure it is coming. There is also a CBS meeting in the new year where hopefully all this can be worked out. I am not necessarily a huge fan of the way things are being done right now, I can think of different ways I'd like to do things on and off the pitch, however I am not in a position to help so I have to trust them, there is nothing else we can do if we cant help out is there? We all have our grievances, but the board do love our club as much as we all do, they are only doing what they think is best. |
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Post by philstandfield on Dec 22, 2016 20:12:46 GMT
2 very well written replies above by samusarun & brownowen both putting over the very points i was trying to put in my posts but in both these cases clearly without my waffle.
Until the board make the next managerial appointment with the new budget known to the successful person and he then starts to work with it we will have to trust the boards judgement and hope more people will come through the gates as normally when a change of manager takes place then the team ups the performances and it's possible the results/performance's may improve and some of the missing numbers return.
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Post by seantizz on Dec 23, 2016 12:23:29 GMT
Decline is a very difficult thing to reverse - and a look at average attendances for each season over the past dozen or so does not make for pretty reading. From a position about twelve or even eight years ago where season average crowds were circa 600, it has pretty much fallen year in year out to the pretty sorry state of affairs it's at now. When will this decline stop? Losing half of your crowd over an 8 year period is pretty dismal. Do we want to lose another half and play in front of 150 in a few years time? From somewhere the crowds have to grow and I suspect that comes about from:-
(a) Having positive messages to sell. (The current Board have, IMHO, spectacularly failed on this front.)
(b) Having vision, ambition etc (I do realise that this is at least forming with the development of the 3G.)
Average crowds have gone up in some seasons - it appears to be the seasons we've had something to cheer about. So, how about realising this is a fact within previous seasons? And rather than invest that £40k in the playing budget gamble a little on success and say we'll invest £50k because we really do think the crowds will come back with a successful team playing great football... Being too cautious at a football club will do nothing to reverse the decline and will lead to relegation. The only reason that 'debt' and 'cashflow' gets talked about is because we're not 'living any dream'.
Communications to CBS members are sporadic to say the least. Would it go amiss to wish all a Happy Christmas for example? If the aim is to make everybody feel much more involved, it's not been achieved. Instead, there's still a feel of an old boys club desperately clinging to their status - I realise it's not really like that but I bet that's how a lot of the community in Dorchester and wider afield still view things.. I have an example - recruitment for the new manager.. We're told that a sub-committee has been formed to consider the appointment. Does this need to be picked from the chosen few? I'd say not - but it's not even considered that people outside of the board might have recruitment skills appropriate to support this...
Best,
Sean
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Post by Dayvan Cowboy on Dec 23, 2016 12:34:07 GMT
Decline is a very difficult thing to reverse - and a look at average attendances for each season over the past dozen or so does not make for pretty reading. From a position about twelve or even eight years ago where season average crowds were circa 600, it has pretty much fallen year in year out to the pretty sorry state of affairs it's at now. When will this decline stop? Losing half of your crowd over an 8 year period is pretty dismal. Do we want to lose another half and play in front of 150 in a few years time? From somewhere the crowds have to grow and I suspect that comes about from:- (a) Having positive messages to sell. (The current Board have, IMHO, spectacularly failed on this front.) (b) Having vision, ambition etc (I do realise that this is at least forming with the development of the 3G.) Average crowds have gone up in some seasons - it appears to be the seasons we've had something to cheer about. So, how about realising this is a fact within previous seasons? And rather than invest that £40k in the playing budget gamble a little on success and say we'll invest £50k because we really do think the crowds will come back with a successful team playing great football... Being too cautious at a football club will do nothing to reverse the decline and will lead to relegation. The only reason that 'debt' and 'cashflow' gets talked about is because we're not 'living any dream'. Communications to CBS members are sporadic to say the least. Would it go amiss to wish all a Happy Christmas for example? If the aim is to make everybody feel much more involved, it's not been achieved. Instead, there's still a feel of an old boys club desperately clinging to their status - I realise it's not really like that but I bet that's how a lot of the community in Dorchester and wider afield still view things.. I have an example - recruitment for the new manager.. We're told that a sub-committee has been formed to consider the appointment. Does this need to be picked from the chosen few? I'd say not - but it's not even considered that people outside of the board might have recruitment skills appropriate to support this... Best, Sean This. |
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