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Post by avenuedorch on Sept 25, 2016 20:21:22 GMT
in my short time viewing the forum, it has become sadly clear to me the distinct lack of conversation or discussion following the team we all supposedly support actually win, is this because the followers of this "fans forum" are laid up in minor injuries recovering from shock following the team winning or do you only respond and air opinions when they are of the negative type?
Im new to the forum so I just wanted to take this moment to ask what the lay of the land is just so I know going forward only to check when things are bad?
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Post by seantizz on Sept 25, 2016 21:07:43 GMT
Fair point Avenuedorch.
Two clean sheets in a row, two wins and things certainly look a bit rosier in the camp. It's early days to say that things have been turned around but it's getting better. Well done to all involved - has Lewis been responsible for shoring up the defence in midfield?
Sean
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Post by avenuedorch on Sept 25, 2016 21:21:49 GMT
Personally I feel there was a massive sit down and dressing down following the FA Cup exit by way of a spineless performance. Every man needed to step up to the plate, work for each other and deliver. Since then there has been a distinct improvement of team work and commitment, don't get me wrong yesterday was no walk in the park they played below the previous 2 weeks performances having had a weekend off following the frome game but ground out 3 points, which is the end result. Do what you have to do to get the job done. Lewis has helped to add a bit of fight into the midfield. I haven't experience of him when he was here before but he gives everything when on the field even his mark on one or two opponents which sometimes is required to gain a marginal advantage. He has made a difference just needs to work to gaining match fitness which is understandable having been out the game for a while. What he lacks in fitness he makes up for in desire and passion to win the battle. Let's see what Tuesday brings!
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Post by tom on Sept 28, 2016 16:01:45 GMT
Well avenuedorch, Tues bought not much but I do not see loads moans on here, I think mate, win or lose, it seems not many folks on here can be bothered either way to post, which is a shame as I use to like (still would), read match day reports from all posters who were at a match, good or bad, as they were far better than what the local rag printed.
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Post by captjohncolby on Sept 28, 2016 20:25:03 GMT
What was the reasons for closing the old forum. Lots of people used to check in on that?
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Post by tom on Sept 29, 2016 4:53:56 GMT
toys & prams
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Post by seantizz on Sept 29, 2016 18:42:01 GMT
What was the reasons for closing the old forum. Lots of people used to check in on that? It's a good question Captain John. Are you sure you don't know? Dave Ring decided to close it down in his role as administrator. At the time, I was asking some challenging questions about shareholders and loans that were carried forward from the old club to the new club. It was Dave's prerogative to close it down and he was within his rights to do so. I don't think it was a sensible move and it did little to build any trust. Probably best not to dig up old ground though. Everything is so successful at the moment. We should trust that the experts know what they're doing. Sean
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Post by neutral on Sept 30, 2016 11:44:58 GMT
What's people's opinions on what would be considered a successful season? In my eyes, looking at the current squad etc, I would consider a 15th-16th place an achievement.
I see no possible way of a top 10 finish with this current group of players.
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Post by Dayvan Cowboy on Sept 30, 2016 17:50:26 GMT
What's people's opinions on what would be considered a successful season? In my eyes, looking at the current squad etc, I would consider a 15th-16th place an achievement. I see no possible way of a top 10 finish with this current group of players. Another relegation I feel would be a disaster for the club and I consider this season a write off, so this season alone i'd consider survival as the aim. Not an achievement, but the aim. I'm more interested to know what the clubs mid/long term goals are off the pitch. Do we even have any? If it is purely just to stay up in a this level year on year then the club will continue to fall and more supporters will lose interest and not want to spend money on a club with no ambition. We have to be looking to bounce back to the Conference South at least in the next 5 seasons. Do the current board have any plans or ideas to achieve this? There MUST be plans to progress as a football club and get back to consolidating ourselves at a level we can be proud of. If they feel that they're doing all that they can then we should strive to attract if not the community, but financial backers to give businesses an incentive to want to be involved. If Poole, Weymouth, Wimborne, even Portland can do it, then surely we can.
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Post by brownowen on Oct 1, 2016 16:50:18 GMT
What's people's opinions on what would be considered a successful season? In my eyes, looking at the current squad etc, I would consider a 15th-16th place an achievement. I see no possible way of a top 10 finish with this current group of players. Another relegation I feel would be a disaster for the club and I consider this season a write off, so this season alone i'd consider survival as the aim. Not an achievement, but the aim. I'm more interested to know what the clubs mid/long term goals are off the pitch. Do we even have any? If it is purely just to stay up in a this level year on year then the club will continue to fall and more supporters will lose interest and not want to spend money on a club with no ambition. We have to be looking to bounce back to the Conference South at least in the next 5 seasons. Do the current board have any plans or ideas to achieve this? There MUST be plans to progress as a football club and get back to consolidating ourselves at a level we can be proud of. If they feel that they're doing all that they can then we should strive to attract if not the community, but financial backers to give businesses an incentive to want to be involved. If Poole, Weymouth, Wimborne, even Portland can do it, then surely we can. I'd agree that this season is a write off, there is nothing now to aim for other than avoiding relegation as early as possible, and having a good game on Boxing Day. As for the ambitions of the club, I think that we need to be a stable Conf South club in 5 seasons, but to do this the club needs to get supporters back onside, as without a growing fan base a business would not want to invest in the club, and with limited funds, I would like to see the board at least trying something new to get the fans coming back in, or see if anyone on here has their own ideas of how to win back support. I would also be interested in peoples opinions on the CBS scheme as a whole. It obviously works for clubs like FC United, Pompey etc.. but do the fans feel it works here? I am on the fence about it but I know a lot of the fan base is bitterly divided about it.
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Post by avenuedorch on Oct 4, 2016 0:41:08 GMT
Personally for me survival and cementing the clubs position in this league is key for this season, personally I feel it is do able, I'd like to be in positions 10 to 15 by January with a bit of breathing space to the trap door so there isn't to much pressure on the team. Come the end of the season I'd be happy in this same window unless we can kick on and push into top 10 but probably an unrealistic target so I'd settle for finishing anywhere above the drop zone come April. I would really love to know what people think is the answer on how the club can shake off this lull it is in and wake up to become a conference south side. As currently I feel it's the chicken and egg syndrome, fans don't want to pay to go to the ground because there is no atmosphere, the team are playing poor, there isn't any funds in the playing budget, but let's be honest unless people start supporting the club more on the terrace, and create an atmosphere and pay to be members of the community scheme then the pot of gold isn't going to grow! I don't know the answer and I find it hard to get my head round it. Someone on here must know the answer as before the club was a community club everyone had the answer now it is those same people don't back it or support it. What are the opinions realistically on how we can develop into a Poole or an Eastleigh or even a Havant? A team that can be secure in the conf south and tempt the players to occasionally dice with promotion. A sugar daddy with a big wallet ain't going to bail the club out and throw money into it are they as dare I say it Dorch ain't a footballing town is it not many people would notice if the ground fell into a hole would they?
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Post by CM on Oct 5, 2016 8:40:24 GMT
I would also be interested in peoples opinions on the CBS scheme as a whole. It obviously works for clubs like FC United, Pompey etc.. but do the fans feel it works here? I am on the fence about it but I know a lot of the fan base is bitterly divided about it. I do think that community ownership can indeed work. Whilst you’ve listed FCUM and Pompey as examples, I think that the likes of Merthyr, Tonbridge Angels and Enfield are far more relevant examples to ourselves and evidence that supporter ownership can work at this level. Does it bring instantaneous results in the same way that private ownership can? Absolutely not, but that’s never been the intention of community ownership – it’s about steadily moving forward over the long-term. Can it work at Dorchester? Yes, I still believe it can but I believe it requires a sea-change in attitude from the club. Let’s be honest here, the entire process from moving from private to community ownership was an absolute clusterf*ck! The meeting at the Dorford Centre where the plan was changed at the last minute so that only half the majority shareholding was to be transferred to the community obliterated any momentum and the entire process stalled before it had taken off. There was no vision to sell, no big idea for fans to rally behind. From here at least, it appears that we are sleepwalking into continuing that theme. The first season of fans ownership was marked by a complete lack of communication and transparency, and whilst it’s improved this season, we need to be going so, so much further and really selling a long-term vision to the fans and wider community. From what I hear about the potential drive-thru and 3G pitch, I think we potentially have a very bright future not too far off. I’m genuinely excited by it. But you wouldn’t know about it. There’s no PR or publicity in the local press. I accept that the club can’t be getting into specifics due to confidentiality agreements and the fact that it’s not signed, sealed, delivered etc… but I don’t think, long-term, things are anywhere near as bleak as they appear right now and we need some leadership from the club to paint that picture and give something for the fans to buy in to and see that there is a vision.
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Post by tom on Oct 5, 2016 18:00:12 GMT
my problem is the whole issue of "loans"
I joined the Trust as I thought it was a good organisational set up for fans to get their views noticed at boardroom level, though even in the early days, for me, I felt that if the club wanted to push hard for promotion or even compete in the league , on our attendance gates, this was never going to happen as a "fans owned" club, I also, at a very early stage, never bought into the issue that this club could be run on a higher standard of football league status, as a community club AND I still feel the same, in as much as that the " community " of Dorchester, really could not give a toss about our club.
Now for my personal reasons as not renewing my CBS membership this season. I fell (and I feel that was the case) for all the good intentions being told to us that the club had to move on from being owned by majority shareholders and the club had a great future if all the fans of DTFC bought the £30 share, as all the income would be for the running of the club & the team budget, what league that might be, as a boy who grew up watching us in the Wessex league, was not the issue.
What really got my goat was the money raised by the selling of Ayunga,thought the club was going to Benefit 100% from this transaction, yet within a few days on the old forum, posters were saying that actually most of the money was to pay off old debts. So I asked how could all the shareholders be offered the situation of surrendering their shares so as the club could be a CBS, while actually, some shareholders debts are being still being paid off.
Another poster then asked for more details on this issue and was childishly told to "sue" the club and then, still for reasons that I fell to understand, Dave Ring, the club secretary, who also hosted the old forum, closed that site down.
So sadly,the politics seems to run deep & many questions need to be answered as to whom who's pockets are lined, not only with the day to day income but also with any unexpected windfall of players sold on.
AND on that issue alone, I refuse to attend home matches & paying my money until a satisfactory reply has been explained on here by a current board member
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Post by tom on Oct 5, 2016 20:16:46 GMT
Cheers for the reply samsurun yet It it stinks, in my mind, that hard working magpie fans were asked to surrender shares whilst the elite at the club still had a fail safe comeback when the income based on their budget ran out of money to carry on, yet, within the new set up, they still come out smelling of roses, while other lost £100's if not more by just being a true Dorchester fan.
Been gullible more than once over the years, so no more for me until yet another sea change though I do wish Jems and the team all the best for the future
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Post by seantizz on Oct 6, 2016 11:37:22 GMT
Cheers for the reply samsurun yet It it stinks, in my mind, that hard working magpie fans were asked to surrender shares whilst the elite at the club still had a fail safe comeback when the income based on their budget ran out of money to carry on, yet, within the new set up, they still come out smelling of roses, while other lost £100's if not more by just being a true Dorchester fan. Been gullible more than once over the years, so no more for me until yet another sea change though I do wish Jems and the team all the best for the future UTM Tom has this nailed on. The precise issue (that led to the closure of the last message board by Dave Ring) was that old club shareholders had NOT been informed that loans to the club would be treated in a different way as we transitioned towards a new club. Dave Ring tried to argue that old club shareholders had been told and posted a link to a communication that was sent after the decision to transition to the new club had been taken.
It might not have made any difference to the eventual decision to move towards a new club but it might have done and should have been communicated at the EGM where the decision was made. The facts suggest to me that at least four members of the current board are tainted by this - two who were able to recoup their loans and two who deliberately misleaded other shareholders. I'm less bothered about the two who were able to recoup their loans - I might have done the same in their positions - but I think that deliberately misleading shareholders (and then removing the ability to openly discuss it when the heat in the kitchen became too hot) is a pretty shocking course of action and one that shouldn't be forgotten.
Sean
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Post by ivanalevel on Oct 9, 2016 12:26:50 GMT
I guess there is no point in making a protest if the organisation you are protesting about is aware of it!
I joined up as a CBS member for 2015-16 with the intention of renewing each year. However, this year I have not done so. The reasons I have not done so and probably never more will do so are the ill-judged forum comments by Dave Ring inviting legal action and the subsequent closing down of the old forum itself. Throwing toys out of the pram at the first suggestion of criticism is no way to run a community club. Free and open debate with each member's opinions respected is the way.
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Post by nonleagueweirdo on Oct 9, 2016 17:04:30 GMT
For the record, I am pretty sure that Dave Ring is no longer a director of the football club?
I was a little upset about the old forum being closed down. However in context of Sean batiing Dave for years over the forum (often unfairly IMO) then it is hardly surprising that eventually that he would snap. Dave is human and can only be pushed so far. Dave has done more for this club over the last 5 years or so than the majority of the fanbase combined. Would you continue to pay for a website that was being used to undermine what you are trying to achieve because someone had something personal against you?
I agree the Jonah money and directors loan issue was not communicated in a clear way, the forum closing has to be seen in context of years of trolling that Dave received since trying to move the club forward.
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Post by brownowen on Oct 9, 2016 19:56:53 GMT
For the record, I am pretty sure that Dave Ring is no longer a director of the football club? I was a little upset about the old forum being closed down. However in context of Sean batiing Dave for years over the forum (often unfairly IMO) then it is hardly surprising that eventually that he would snap. Dave is human and can only be pushed so far. Dave has done more for this club over the last 5 years or so than the majority of the fanbase combined. Would you continue to pay for a website that was being used to undermine what you are trying to achieve because someone had something personal against you? I agree the Jonah money and directors loan issue was not communicated in a clear way, the forum closing has to be seen in context of years of trolling that Dave received since trying to move the club forward. As I understand it, Jonah money was not communicated as there was a confidentiality clause in the transfer, not the poor communication from the board and we only found out the true value of it by working it out from the club's accounts at the end of the season, it was never announced. But I agree with the sentiment of what you said. Dave acted in a completely hot headed way, but he has always given a lot for the club and to judge him from one incident is not fair. What has happened has happened, he is no longer a board member so people should move on and continue to work to build a better club for everyone.
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Post by ivanalevel on Oct 9, 2016 21:32:36 GMT
I'm well aware that Dave Ring has been one of the hardest workers associated with the club over recent years. That is very much appreciated, including by me. However, this does not, in my opinion, justify his response to the perfectly reasonable anxieties expressed by Sean Tizzard. Each member of the CBS has a right to make enquiries about how the community club is run, to request answers and to expect a polite level of communication. This did not happen in the circumstances under discussion here. I do not accept that judgements cannot be made about a single incident such as this if I consider the incident severe enough to warrant an equally sincere response. I repeat my earlier statement that fellow members of the CBS should treat other's opinions with respect at all times. Respect for Sean's legitimate opinions and questioning broke down in this case.
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Post by seantizz on Oct 10, 2016 9:47:32 GMT
Lots of stuff in the above posts that I'm keen to pick up on..
(a) My baiting of Dave Ring - I concede I can be an annoying pedant at times and a bit of a dog with a bone and this might have appeared like baiting to many. But it's largely always been with considered intent. Whether it's been about future ambition, ridiculous media statements in the wake of the financial crisis when Phil Simkin was in charge or the CBS takeover of the club, I've always tried to keep it polite. I overstepped the mark perhaps when I asked Dave Ring if he paid for his away coach travel as a Director. Whenever we've met at games, there's largely been civilness - and sometimes we've bought drinks for each other. It's never been personal.
(b) I've always been at pains to say that Dave Ring clearly does a ton of work at the club. He's a good man and has a good work ethic. This has never been in question. None of this means that we shouldn't be able to question decisions that are made. It's like saying that Donald Trump is working hard to become US president and because of that we can't question his views..
(c) Is Dave Ring no longer a board member? This has come as news to me. I'm a member of the club and would have thought we would have received a communication to this effect? My guess is that he's still a board member - I hope that he is.
We all have a considerable love for this club. There are times that I really wish I could lose that love!! But, it's not going to go is it? We don't need to always agree about things - but we do all need to be pulling broadly in the same direction. I wonder if it's time to draw a line, accept it's OK to not agree about stuff but really give thought to how we can make DTFC the best, most ambitious club in Dorset again!!
Sean
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Post by tom on Oct 11, 2016 14:15:47 GMT
Reading back my last post on this thread it deff reads as though I am not going to watch the lads play anymore, not my intention at all, once a home match coincides with a day off on my shift then I will take a stroll down the ave, obviously, by "the lads", I do mean DTFC not the other team that now plays on what was once hallowed turf, just not going to part with any cash to join trust, CBS or whatever comes along next. Though I must renew my Supporters membership. nuff said by me now on this topic Oh & come on piiiiies for tonight
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